Question:
Why are soy products bad for men?
the who
2009-12-28 08:02:10 UTC
I was told to stop eating soy altogether by so many people. Soy yogurts, soy milk, soy beans, anything that contains soy because it increased/messed with hormones in men, increased estrogen, and had possible carcinogenic qualities, amongst other bad things.


Is this all true, and can this stuff be consumed even in moderation? I've heard other stories where this stuff was apparently also GOOD for us?

Any ideas?
Nine answers:
2009-12-28 08:11:35 UTC
While soy may be beneficial to women in a variety of ways, research in monkeys suggests that it could have an adverse effect on the behavior of men, according to researchers from Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.



Reporting in the current issue of the scientific journal Hormones and Behavior, the researchers found that in male monkeys, "long-term consumption of a diet rich in soy isoflavones can have marked influences on patterns of aggression and social behavior." Isoflavones are a naturally occurring plant estrogen in soy protein.



"Although considerable attention has been directed at the potentially beneficial effects of isoflavones in reducing the risk of various cancers, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease and postmenopausal symptoms, less effort has been invested in characterizing neurobehavioral effects," according to the study.



People have the concept that soy is only beneficial, said Jay R. Kaplan, Ph.D., professor of comparative medicine and anthropology, one of the investigators. "There is the thought that what is good for some is good for all and more is better."



But this research points out that not only does the dose make a difference, but so does the sex of the consumer, Kaplan said, adding that the study is consistent with emerging literature showing that soy can have a negative impact on the behavior of male rodents. Previous studies have shown no difference in aggression in females given large doses of soy, Kaplan said.



The study was done over 15 months with adult male monkeys who were divided into three groups and fed different amounts and types of protein. One group had about 125 mg of isoflavones a day. The second group had half that amount, and the third group's protein came from milk and animal sources.



"In the monkeys fed the higher amounts of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive and submissive behavior were elevated," according to the study. "In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68 percent, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50 percent and time spent alone was increased 30 percent."



Isoflavone levels of 125 mg per day are higher than amounts consumed by many Asians, who typically eat more soy than other populations. But, the isoflavone levels are comparable to levels found in many dietary supplements sold in the United States.



The FDA approved a statement in 1999 that said, "25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy sales have grown from $940 million in 1990 to a projected $4 billion this year. Kaplan said that soy is the most widely used botanical by pre- and postmenopausal women.



"To the best of our knowledge, the present study may be the first to demonstrate that long-term consumption of isoflavones can alter patterns of agonistic and social behavior in primates," the researchers reported. "The present findings suggest that careful attention will be required to balance beneficial and potentially adverse effects."



Other researchers in the study included Michael R. Adams, D.V.M., professor of pathology, and Thomas C. Register, Ph.D., associate professor of pathology, at Wake Forest Baptist, as well as two researchers from Lehigh University's Department of Biological Sciences.



The research was funded by NIH grants and a grant from the HF Guggenheim Foundation.



About Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center: Wake Forest Baptist is an academic health system comprised of North Carolina Baptist Hospital and Wake Forest University School of Medicine. It is licensed to operate 1,282 acute care, psychiatric, rehabilitation and long-term care beds and is consistently ranked as one of "America's Best Hospitals" by U.S. News & World Report.
Mirza
2016-05-27 04:45:27 UTC
Honestly, if you eat a lot of processed food, soy will be everywhere. It's literally everywhere, just like high fructose corn syrup. In moderation, no, it's not bad for you. BUT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL. If you want to drink soy milk, it is not going to affect your fertility, so long as you don't eat processed foods and eat whole foods. However, if you don't eat food you've cooked from scratch at least 5 days a week, you may want to cut down on the soy. There are plenty of ways to get proper nutrition without soy. My family (yea, we're Indian) has been vegetarian for generations, and I'm the first/only member of my family to actually like soy. Rice and beans are the key, not meat substitutes.
Connor
2009-12-28 08:10:54 UTC
This is one of the many myths that circulate around the world. It's completly UNTRUE. There is no evidence that suggests soy doesn't anything bad for men. The only bad thing about soy that I know of is that only 44% of soy protien is absorbed into the body vs 88% of the protien in meats and dairy that is absorbed. So if you get a majority of your protien from soy (you are vegan or vegitarian or don't eat much meat) you need to consume twice as much as you should to get your daily amount of protien. Other than that there is nothing really bad about soy.



It's just a myth. At this point we have no evidence that suggests this.



-Connor
2009-12-28 08:20:51 UTC
All the above is a lot of bull:normal consuming of soy leads to no problems at all;or you have to be allergic to it.

You can just consume it.Never mind how much:but from soy you don't get as much protein back in your body as you do eating meat.

Planets.
2009-12-28 08:18:05 UTC
In moderation, they are ok. Daily consumption is bad because of the estrogen producing results. Unless of course you are trying to become feminine, then you are good.



The occasional soy in food is ok.



As a side note, it also stops the absorption of thyroid hormones which can make you sluggish and gain weight.
2009-12-28 08:06:29 UTC
It's true, men should stay away from excess soy and excess iron in foods. You'd have to eat about like 1000g of soy to see these side effects though.
whatastupidlamb
2009-12-28 08:07:54 UTC
maybe you are slightly allergic to soy, i don't think hormones have anything to do with it.
ranjit
2009-12-28 08:39:33 UTC
it is true.

it is bad because it lowers testosterone levels then it's really hard yo build muscle.
2009-12-28 08:35:27 UTC
I don't think this is true.


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